Here is what fruitbat has said:
http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 383#p38383fruitbat wrote:Re: Puharich and the Council of Nine
Postby fruitbat » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:52 am
I'm reminded of a phenomenon that I first encountered when I was young, the double standard. It's OK , even cool when HE does it , but YOU shouldn't even try.
Some things in society, (manufacturing and playing with explosives, for example) spring out as simple things that have somehow become restricted to a heirophancy. Radio engineering was another. The HUGE (and well advertised at one point) fines that used to apply to a prole in the UK playing with an old Number 19 set effectively created a class of DIY radio engineers called the "radio amateur" who even having taken the examinations and gained the "qualification" found that his activities were still massively restricted, but he did now have the power to inform the authorities on anyone who has NOT passed that examination, but has the temerity to fireup an illegal CB radio.
BY the time the fifties and gravity control came along the "powers that be" had mastered the control of information to the point that they could keep the entire (and vast) manhattan project secret, so drawing the curtain over gravity research should have been just more of the same.
As for the reactionless thruster that nasa patented and presumably has used, I doubt due to the compartmentalisation of the process and busy peoples tendency to discard anything that doesn't "fit in" I find it easy to believe that that no-one gets to see enough of the whole picture (or even cares enough) to realise how the satellite is being moved.
To quote on of my favourite bands, "This is the age of the micro man, he sees the detail but never the plan". Truer words were never spoken IMO.
I have no problem imagining a two tier reality, where a small group of ubermensch are streets ahead of the rest of us in some understandings, and physical technology. Particularly if the technolgy could be used for unspeakable evil. In my country for example, they don't even let us own firearms because of the fear of what we might do to ourselves with them.
It is my firm belief that anyone who is notionally "in charge" sure as hell isn't going to let us have free energy or antigravity any time soon if they can help it.
Just take our man Jess Ecker here on the forum. He claims that he is an "authority" on the antigravity stuff, but he is constrained to silence by an NDA. Even asked me for one at one point before he would work with me! (I declined naturally, "secret knowledge" is a cancerous burden, and breaking my promises is something I do my best to avoid.) There you have it. The gears of the mechanism of suppression in plain view. (Unless he's lying of course, we have no way of knowing, until he goes too far with the fiction as the liars always do eventually.)
FB.
Simply stated...he couldn't have made it any more clearer. However, as is prone and from a psychological point of view, which I will state later, here is ecker's response:
http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 385#p38385ecker wrote: Re: Puharich and the Council of Nine
Postby ecker2011 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:17 pm
fruitbat wrote:
Just take our man Jess Ecker here on the forum. He claims that he is an "authority" on the antigravity stuff, but he is constrained to silence by an NDA. Even asked me for one at one point before he would work with me! (I declined naturally, "secret knowledge" is a cancerous burden, and breaking my promises is something I do my best to avoid.) There you have it. The gears of the mechanism of suppression in plain view. (Unless he's lying of course, we have no way of knowing, until he goes too far with the fiction as the liars always do eventually.)
Well Steve now you're calling me a liar? You're starting to sound more like Mikado aren't you! Jess
Now here is the psychological part. IF someone is working from a position of truth, their first response is usually not: "your're calling me a liar?" Since the claim is that he is operating under an NDA, which I was unaware of, wouldn't that have been the first response....the truth....instead of a reversal or presumed attack on his credibility if not his veracity of statements made?
And then fruitbat responded in a cool and calm manner and "explained", for the second time, what his post was saying:
fruitbat wrote:Re: Puharich and the Council of Nine
Postby fruitbat » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:37 pm
Nope that isn't what I am saying at all. I am saying that you are a classic example of the gears of suppression at work, which is quite different.
You claim to know what you are talking about with E/G but cannot offer any real information to back it up you tell me, due to your prior NDA. How can I or anyone else know if you are the real deal or not, from over here on the other side of the screen?
That being the case, your knowledge is very effectively suppressed, by a combination of your NDA and my unwillingness to accept as an authority someone who cannot back up his claims.
If I were calling you a liar I would know it to be true and would be backing it up with a few factual examples to prove my assertion, just as I have done to others who wilfully set out to mislead us. You've said nothing yet that I know to be untrue or misleading, but equally, as I previosly stated, I DO NOT KNOW. Your NDA silences you and suppresses the information you may posess, most effectively.
Gottit?
If you choose to read a different interpretation into my words and call me Mikado, that's your choice. Which of us turns out to be more like him, in his drives and motivations I suspect will be revealed in the fullness of time. Oddly enough, he also offered to work with me if I entered into an NDA with him..
FB.
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And then not to be left out, GMan feels compelled to make a comment:
http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 396#p38396GMan wrote:Re: Puharich and the Council of Nine
Postby G-Man » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:02 am
You couldn't f***n write it...
To my reading Jess don't "claim" any knowledge, he demonstrates it. He seems like a driven man who does some research and reading and there is some wonderful stuff appearing here. I look forward to my daily Interesting Website. That's why I petitioned him to come back to the fold.
GMan, I wonder why he felled compelled to jump in and, in the same vein as ecker, provide an answer as if fruitbat "did" call ecker a liar. He felt compelled to offer up his view of what ecker demonstrates in his actions. Apparently, GMan didn't comprehend what fruitbat wrote, not once but twice. Just because someone scours the Internet and posts articles etc of what is interesting that day on the Internet does not make him/her an authority on anything other than to prove they surf the web. That is not demonstrating knowledge as to Electrograviitcs which was the thrust of fruitbats post.
Secondly, ecker demonstrated a lifter back in 2004:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRa-S0xCxI ....on a community channel. In that interview, it was mentioned that he had an investor that helped him with the funds to build what he demonstrated and it was his returned visit. There is a photo of what appears to be his supply taken on the spread of his bed (or someones' bed). Then, it shows the supply next to him in the studio. Yep....aluminum foil and dowels are expensive. It is a lifter and lifter's are not Gravitors but he is an expert mind you. Recently, like in the past year, he was involved in a conversation with fruitbat on getting funds to build a power supply and couldn't purchase rectifiers but when I researched what components were discussed, they were around $150 dollars. He could stand on a street corner with a grinder and a monkey and get that in an afternoon. What does he demonstrate? From what I have seen in his post to fruitbat, he is coming from a position of inferiority of what his knowledge truly by not addressing the issue of the post. He does this by deflecting what fruitbat was truly saying by parrying with an accusation. In other words, ecker's mouth has written checks that his ass can't cash. That seems to be pandemic now on two sites by the same individuals. They never answer any questions that state a facts asking for explanations but instead defensively parry with insults and vitriolic responses.
What should be mentioned and has been before is the fact that yes, there was the mention of an NDA with fruitbat. What he didn't understand is that if he was willing to sign on, he would have been privy to what Hut B has done and what the results were and what was being done next. He would have been given information and data as to his lifters so that he could have improved upon what he was doing. The knowledge would have been openly shared within the group in the hopes for a break through that could have gone public....but that release would have had to be agreed by all and not by one which is what he said...he would make the determination of anything given to him. No more comment needs to be made in this response of his.
It is quite apparent, as wags is quick to point out, That for some reason, I am feared by Linda et al. Why would a group of individuals continue to say the same things over and over again and then spread that to a facebook page and continue with the same tired statements along with the same tired allegations against myself? If it is not fear than what is it?
The one fact that can be said is that no where in any of Brown's notes did he achieve what I have done so far. Linda herself was invited to come and see it. Rose was invited but declined. Paul Schatzkin was invited but he too declined. Linda didn't even have the decency to respond but the the others did. They were asked to witness the experiment. What was Linda afraid of? Something for it is quite apparent that she is on a campaign of discrediting. Why?
Years ago, facts were presented that showed discrepancies with the book "Defying Gravity". Not one of those facts has ever been addressed by either Linda or anyone who is attached to her skirts. Why?
To you fruitbat, you are finding out that to ask questions that are uncomfortable, you will be met with a counter question that raises an accusation that is removed from the thrust of the question. Ecker is learning quite well from Linda and is now qualified to be an expert in that field. I wonder, does Linda hand out diplomas?
Mikado