A self perpetuating truth

[Chris Knight]

Rose,

I only remember meeting her for the first time for about 5-10 minutes. We must have eaten diners together, but she didn't say much at all.

We must have met though - or will meet. IF you remember back when she and TTB had moved to Catalina Island, and TTB wanted to move her back to the mainland. Well, she absolutely refused to go.

So, TTB took her someplace, and when she got back, she packed up all their things and moved back to the mainland.

According to the story Linda Leach told me, TTB took her into the future and showed her all the amazing things I had done with his research, and that is why they needed to leave Catalina Island.

I must really like baloney sandwiches with extra baloney on the side.

Andy

[Mikado14]

I sometimes like mine fried with mustard.

Mikado

[Mikado14]

Interesting post that I thought you might like to see Andrew:

http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 303#p31303

The sale of William Moore material
Postby Linda Brown » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:44 am

Apparently there has been some interest some of the material from William Moore that was collected by a private individual and then offered for sale a couple of years ago. I think that Rose captured it more succinctly than I would have...she mentions it here in her Blog.

http://jansrose.blogspot.com/

Please note the date.....



"Thursday, March 21, 2013
[color=[/color]Moore's PX files regarding TTB offered on Ebay

From this Ebay listing:

The Philadelphia Experiment has been one of the great conspiracy theories of the United States Naval Department. According to folklore, the USS Eldridge was fitted with equipment during experimentation with radar invisibility. Reportedly the ship was teleported between Norfolk, VA and Philadelphia, PA with unfortunate effects on the crew members. This can all be studied from online sources.
WIlliam Moore and Charles Berlitz published "The Philadelphia Experiment," which contained a chapter on an American scientist, Thomas Townsend Brown. It was Moore's hypothesis that TTB was involved in the Philadelphia Experiment.

The packet consists of the bulk of Moore's handwritten notes, personal correspondence and articles regarding TTB during the writing of The Philadelphia Experiment. Most of the paperwork is in good condition.

The entire file is approximately one inch thick.*****************************************************************************************************
As I recall one of the members on the Pegasus Forum ( Zorgon and his crew) let it slip that Zorgon himself had purchased the material. I have not confirmed that.

The seller, of course, was Andrew Bolland. Andrew had for years collected these papers from William Moore and other sources.( the name Brian Parks was also mentioned)... some of those papers centered on my Dad, Townsend Brown. so I thought I understood why Andrew would be interested in collecting the original material. He had been studying my Dads work for years.

During one of our meetings I was even able to hold some of the original letters that Carlos Allende had sent to Moore. (I noticed interestingly that in one of the letters Carlos complained that Moore was "listening to his other sources and using their material" RATHER THAN HIS OWN.)

That was an odd written statement that both Andrew and I wondered about. Who was Carlos Allende complaining about if he was the ONLY source for the first hand account of the Philadelphia Experiment that was used in the book?

When Andrew put all of this material up for sale,I was shocked. The early conclusion that I made was that Andrew was " divesting himself" of material that no longer held his interest... (and that included much of his passion also in Townsend Brown and his work)

This was an odd and unexpected turn of events, considering that his interest through the years was strong enough that he was publically considered the "keeper of the flame for the Legacy of Townsend Brown"... by my family and others. And ever since my Mother invited him to join us at our ranch in Banning... and then allowed him to study Dads scientific notebooks.... we all considered him a member of our family.

And then suddenly years later..... things changed.

Andrew transferred the Townsend Brown archival Library to my site from his original Qualight site and I understood later sold that domain name..........It seemed he had very strenuously turned his back on all of those years of research. He returned boxes of the remaining TTB material that he had held for his research and the only conclusion that George and I could make was that after years of this ardent pursuit.... he had just decided to move on and begin a new life that would have nothing to do with Townsend Brown or anything connected to that name. And that, apparently, included his friendship with us.

Andrew had moved to the East Coast and I accepted the fact that he seemed to want a fresh start for himself and his family.I felt that he had a right to do that....but He moved without saying goodbye to myself or my husband George... which was a puzzlement to both of us..

Perhaps he was just mentally through with the subject of Townsend Brown........

Or perhaps he had other reasons for distancing himself?

Note the date. March 21, 2013.

Linda Brown Pickering Rosegate January 2015

I would love to answer for Andrew but I will let them up to him, however, I will offer this. Andy, I thought you went out to dinner with Linda and George before you left at I believe the Sizzler, and if so, I would bet navy beans to dollars that you paid for it as well.

I wonder if it will ever dawn on her as to why people eventually run away from her?

Mikado

[re-rose]

I only remember meeting her for the first time for about 5-10 minutes. We must have eaten diners together, but she didn't say much at all.

Understandable. You were so young, and she so old, the age gulf must have been impenetrable. And then, of course, she must have passed away shortly afterward. It's too bad, she was perhaps the one person who could have filled in the blanks.

rose

[Chris Knight]

Ah Mikado,

I would have to correct you then. Linda and George Leach paid for the dinner as a going away gift.

The cracks in the stories were just beginning to show, but it wasn't until I had a little physical distance that I was able to take a comprehensive look at everything. Of course, finding out the history of vile things she has said about me and my family did help move me in another direction.

It's all for the best. I like the physical distance.

Oh, I fired up my 3D printer this afternoon. For the first project out of the box, I decided to really push the limits of what it can do, and make something that might very well change the course of human event....a 3-inch minion...Truly, a Despicable Me minion.

Soon I'll have enough of them to become a true Super Villain. Steal the moon and all that stuff...

Andy

[Mikado14]

Ah Mikado,

I would have to correct you then. Linda and George Leach paid for the dinner as a going away gift.

So, not only did you have a going away dinner, they, the Leach's, paid for it as well. Then when Linda claims that you didn't say goodbye and then the fact that you had a going away dinner comes forth, then and therefore that must mean she is lying. Do I have that correct so far? And if so, then to what end?

The cracks in the stories were just beginning to show, but it wasn't until I had a little physical distance that I was able to take a comprehensive look at everything. Of course, finding out the history of vile things she has said about me and my family did help move me in another direction.

It's all for the best. I like the physical distance.

Perhaps that is the advantage I had from you....distance. But I still drank the Kool Aid for a while.

I have a few questions about the Moore papers yet but I am still suffering from this...cold?....disease?.....plague?.... the freakin' coughing goes to the head, that in turns moves back into the chest and yesterday and today are the glands in the throat and a terrible right ear ache.

The Doctor is suspicious of the Lyme disease compromising the immune system making ....whatever it is....difficult to get rid of. Who knows.

Come on spring....


Mikado


PS:

Oh, I fired up my 3D printer this afternoon. For the first project out of the box, I decided to really push the limits of what it can do, and make something that might very well change the course of human event....a 3-inch minion...Truly, a Despicable Me minion.

Soon I'll have enough of them to become a true Super Villain. Steal the moon and all that stuff...

Andy

You could make a few dollars and sell some to Linda Leach....but then.....they wouldn't believe her either.

[Mikado14]

And here is something very interesting.

http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 328#p31328

Re: Andrews Story
Postby Linda Brown » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:26 pm

Hi de ho to the Green Caroline Group member. So do you want me to use your real name in the upcoming book Andrew? Or am I going to have to fall back on blurring your name and your accomplishments.

I thought maybe Christopher Day would work.

Linda

I suppose Linda Leach believes that if she only changes a name but writes facts etc that parallel the life of a real person that it is still a libel action in a court of law. If she does publish, which I doubt any publisher would do, she will have to sign a clause that specifically will hold harmless the publisher and that also includes a self-publishing house.

What does that mean? You could break her and George's financial back by not only sueing them but the publisher as well for in a hold harmless agreement, she would be responsible for costs incurred by the publishing house in defending the suit.


Here is some advice for Linda Leach:

http://www.writing-world.com/rights/realpeople.shtml

Writing About "Real" People

by Robert Moskowitz

Good fiction tells stories about people. And some of the best stories are real ones, actually lived by actual persons. Not only are many real stories interesting, but audiences want to read about "real" stories even more than they want to read pure fiction. That's why so many stories -- and here we're talking exclusively about fiction that takes time to write and to publish, and thus generally reaches its audience weeks, months, or even years after the "true story" has left the headlines, making the fiction subject to more rigorous privacy laws in ways that "news" stories may not be -- are sold as "ripped from the headlines" or "based on a true story."

The problem for a writer who wants to write about people is if you write about a real person, you need their permission before you can sell what you've written. And not everyone who lived a great story wants you to write about it. They may want to sell it to another writer, or they may not want anyone at all to write about them.

So what's a writer to do?

You have to take liberties with the truth.

The general rule is: If an average person who reads your story or sees it on the screen has a good chance of identifying the people you are writing about, then you need those people's written permission. However, if the people in your story are not recognizable as specific individuals, then logically you have no need to obtain anyone's permission to write and sell your story.

For example:

1) What if Law and Order tells a story that's taken from the headlines?

Law and Order does change a "true" story by 50% or so, but often it is still recognizable. However, Law and Order has a lot of money. They may pay something for the rights to the story they want to copy. Also, they usually allow the lawyers they have on staff to vet the stories, so they're far less likely to be judged liable in a court of law, and/or far more likely to be able to deflect or defend any lawsuits that may come in. When you have billions, you can do the same.

2) What if the story is from overseas?

Foreign stories carry less chance that people who lived it will see what you do with their story. But anyone can sue at any time, so why leave yourself exposed? If foreigners sue you over there, you may never be able to travel to that country again without having to pay the financial judgment against you!

3) What if you are writing about a serial killer. Do they have rights?

Yes, they have rights. What's more, they're not allowed to profit from their crimes, so the families of the victims are often entitled to the killer's earnings and would probably come after you for even more money. If your story is recognizable, you've got to get the killer's permission and you've also got to deal with the victims' families. Isn't it easier to change your story enough so this is not a problem?

4) What about stories that are based on an unauthorized biography?

"Famous" people have fewer rights to their own stories. However, the line is fuzzy. You can write about Brittany (or any celebrity) all you want and she can't stop you, but if you say something too offensive, she can sue you. "The truth" is a valid defense, of course, but any celebrity has enough money to hire lawyers who can cause you an expensive problem, even if he or she doesn't prevail in court. If you want to write about a celebrity, be very sure you don't step over the fuzzy line. Study what other people are writing about other celebrities. Look at some of the lawsuits filed by celebrities to see where the line might begin -- not just the cases celebrities win, but the lawsuits they file. You don't want them filing against you. If there is any doubt at all, have an experienced attorney look over your story and make changes until s/he feels strongly that you're not going to get sued for it.

Two key things to remember are: 1) Everyone gets married. Everyone has parents. Lots of people wear glasses. Lots of people buy red cars. Those kinds of elements in your story are generic and do not serve to identify particular individuals. You can include them in your story without fear of penalty. What's more, there are certain "required scenes" (called "scenes a faire" in legal terminology) that must happen in any good story. If your hero turns and confronts his attacker, it may echo what happened in another story or what happened in real life to a particular person. But a confrontation is a required scene when writing drama, so the existence of the scene in your story is not considered proof that you stole the idea. On the other hand, if your story contains characters who grew up in a certain town at a certain time, got married at a certain age in a certain location, worked at a certain company, had certain special talents or interests, had a certain number of children in specific years, lived in a certain kind of house in a certain neighborhood, and so forth, these are not "scenes a faire." Such details convey enough specific material so a reader can easily identify a real individual on whom you modeled your character, and now you need permission.

2) Successful novels and screenplays draw lawsuits. If you write a good story, there's a good chance you'll get sued by someone claiming you stole their idea, modeled your story after their life, or both. Since you can't avoid this, don't try. And don't worry about it. A portion of your profits will go to legal defense. That's the nature of our society. Just make sure you document where you get your ideas for your stories, so when the suits do come, you can show they are without merit.

Good luck.

And just in case she writes about me, I will sue her and anyone connected with the book. I do so hope that David Leland Smith is on the cover. Imagine the testimony in court that can come out about the validity of Morgan, the Caroline et al? Priceless. Oh...and let's not forget Harold.

Mikado

[StarCat]

I have to disagree with Moskowitz on the statement that everyone gets married. Most people get married, but not everyone.

Mikado, have you seen an infectious disease specialist? I read on the CDC site, that Lyme disease can cause long term problems, including immune system compromise. You're starting to sound like you need a body transplant. Maybe Andy can do something with his 3-D printer. I know how miserable that respiratory stuff that won't give up can be. Sending healing energy your way.

Cat

[Mikado14]

.......she just doesn't get it.

Here is her latest:

http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 330#p31330

Re: All about Helen Towt!
Postby Linda Brown » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:28 am

And the other thing that I find extremely odd is...... why did Mikado choose to make such strident remarks about Helen? What was it to him? Why did he find the Huntingdon reports and why had Huntingdon already have some meaning to him? I am sure that there is a link there (but we just haven't seen it yet.)

In his responses its almost as if Mikado immediately set himself to discredit the entire subject of Helen Towt and their response to you as a new member on the HUT... with ties to Helen. was really disgraceful........You, according to KIM on the HUT ... do not exist! You are supposed to be a figment of my imagination just the way that Smith is supposed to be. Why would any of them even bother to make those ridiculous claims, unless it was a custom designed ploy to lead the reading public away from what we have to say.

Thats not going to work.

Linda

Let's reiterate what has been said in the past, almost two years ago.

Some facts:

1. I was told about the newspaper report from Geoff and he sent the link

2. The fact it was a Huntingdon newspaper is due to the fact that it was an AP (Associated Press) newswire. In fact, if one does a Google search they will find the accident listed in other newspapers. It just happens that at the time the search was done, the Huntingdon paper came up. Since then, the Zanesville paper has been converted to data.

3. The point that was being made was that Linda, supposedly, wrote about this in her journal and Paul took it from there. Since the facts surrounding what Linda wrote in her journal differed from facts reported in newspapers of the time makes the case and begs the question as to other stories from her journals as to accuracy.

4. The story was substantiated by twigsnapper on the ttbrown forum as to the veracity of what was reported by Linda's journals. Since that veracity is not only in question but has been proven totally inaccurate, what does that say about other stories that twigsnapper endorsed?

Linda Leach, as always, misses the point of the exercise of posting the information. She is attempting to make a case that it was to discredit Helen Towt. That is not true, and I want every freakin' bot to pick this up, it was all about Linda using Helen Towt for the furtherance of her story, the story that is so full of holes and cannot be verified and can only be tested on the veracity of her statements which in the end, was the purpose of discussing Helen Towt.

Maybe I should start posting information as to her parents divorce, let her argue with legal documents, of course she will because afterall, it is a conspiracy.....right?

As to figments of imagination, no one said that Dave Smith is a figment, you are flat out lying when you make such a statement. What was said is that he is NOT Morgan and by his own admission to several individuals. At least he told the truth. The character Morgan is a figment as well as twigsnapper and an entire cast of players.

As to someone being treated unfairly, who would that be Ravenshine?

Ravenshine does not appear on the membership. Another lie or a misdirection to make a derogatory statement?


Mikado

PS: Why is Linda Leach coming here, taking pieces of posts but not giving the proper citations? Apparently, she intends to "obfuscate" (like that word Linda?) where the post is for there is no search option unless you login. Liars figure and she is good at that....have a nice day missy!

[Mikado14]

I have to disagree with Moskowitz on the statement that everyone gets married. Most people get married, but not everyone.

Mikado, have you seen an infectious disease specialist? I read on the CDC site, that Lyme disease can cause long term problems, including immune system compromise. You're starting to sound like you need a body transplant. Maybe Andy can do something with his 3-D printer. I know how miserable that respiratory stuff that won't give up can be. Sending healing energy your way.

Cat

I too agree with you but I believe he was just speaking figuratively in the context of a suit. It seems that a good deal are usually brought about by a spouse, those that are not married, they have family that will sue.

As to my plague, which I am now referring to. This morning my teeth hurt and my glands are swollen. Kim is getting it back in her chest and I didn't have the cough all night and now it is starting again.

It is the plague. The Doctor had mentioned the thing about Lyme and a compromised immune system. It sure seems like there is something to it, and....I'll take all the energy you are giving!

Mikado