Since cannabis was brought up

[Soloma]

Luis, thanks for the wonderful post, lots of information I had yet to find. I find it hard to read the de-bunkers, so much vitirol in such a small space with no science or personal experience to back up said criticism. The link to the man`s claim about ionizer`s was interesting but I am not currently looking at ionizer`s.

The last link was very interesting, Verbelli actually has hands on experience using the Nolte structured water, actually looking inside to see the very simple design. Multiple spheres connected together w/ dimples, fullerene like. He actually goes through the process of building his own and connecting them to various other units that he builds himself. Sort of over doing it, however one never knows until ones tries - perhaps his meshing of all the tech`s will prove fruitful.

What has attracted me to the NAT unit is the simplicity and that is based on spin. I have trouble wrapping my head around a pass through a unit such as this can produce water similar or exactly like deep spring water but then there a lot of things I can not wrap my head around that just are. Like my experiences.

Your post was a big help and I still will be going over the information it has provided as one link always leads to another.

Kevin, I agree Nolte is interesting. If you have followed the link Luis provided to aetherforce, you may find the video of the insides of Nolte`s device. Very geometric the spheres and dimples, perhaps this unit physically can do what many people can not, as far as visualizing as you suggest?

I find it hard to visualize this water spinning on your lattice like structure of universe, much less the symbiotic interaction with the flows of consciousness. Exactly how would one go about this visualization, with eyes open, closed? For how long? Am I to visualize a specific water source, or the water within my house pipes? If I am able to do this correctly, do you think it would be synergistic with an actual physical unit or would it be all that is needed?

I would love to be able to benefit all 3d creations around me through visualizations and intent, this is still virgin territory to me and I am as always concerned about doing it incorrectly.

[LuisP]

Soloman, please take note – and I sure hope I’m not going across as patronizing you ! - just stating things as how I see them and worrying you may not understand it as such – that everything that relates to us and that is “hard” to do …. is precisely what one should do !

Why is it “hard” ?
Because (to me !), in a nutshell, it goes against either our physical or our mental comfort.

As in, something we do not sympathize or empathize or are “built” to deal with.

You Americans have a saying -“No pain, No gain” – which I find very apt because it goes with extreme simplicity (but immense sense) at the Essence of what always lies at the bottom of any issue that confronts us and that we find challenging to our interests, be that from a mere physical challenge or, much more difficult, a mental one. Especially if it represents (the need to rise up to that challenge) an act against our very ingrained beliefs . And supremely especially, if it is an act that goes against our disbeliefs.

What we do not believe in – strangely – is a much harder barrier to surpass than the one presented by something aimed against our beliefs. At least, that’s what my experience tells me.

All this to say,
How can you be sure you’re Right on a given issue …. if you haven’t listened to, thought about and surpassed above, the arguments that say you’re Wrong ?

Yes, I know.
It’s hard.

That’s why you should do it. And if someone helps you doing it, all the better and should even be thanked (Wags, that Hound from Hell, comes to my mind as a grateful example, back then on the “Hutchison War”).


One should not be a Sheep to our beliefs or disbeliefs.
But a Wolf !

Why ?
Because, as I see it, no one Owns the truth.
Especially, when they speak or write about what I believe or disbelieve in.

[FM No Static At All]

The truth about beliefs:

1. They are not based on facts, in many cases on blind faith alone.

2. There are many who will defend their beliefs so strongly, they are willing to die for them.

3. Rather than allow different views to be presented, ,amy will seek out and only associate with those who share beliefs.

I would venture to guess that the majority of the world's population believes in a deity in various forms and have all sorts of beliefs associated with their religion. Many are diametrically opposed to one another. Wars have been fought and hundreds of millions lost their lives because of these differences.

It is certainly your right to have beliefs and opinions that are not aligned with others, however it is an infringement on the rights of others when one 'pushed' their beliefs with little or no regard or respect for others.

One would think that in the community of scientists and researchers that their would be more collaboration and cooperation among them, yet what we have is the same rigid adherence to old theories even when evidence indicates that the old view may not be the right one.

Only through open discussion and debate with a large dose of decorum and diplomacy can new ideas be truly explored for their truth and validity. Openness to possibilities is what thinking outside the box is.

Instead of brushing off differences in beliefs, perhaps examining the beliefs of others will lead to that tolerance everyone preaches but few practice.

[Soloma]

Luis, as always I appreciate your posts. I am going to assume you have not noticed something about me, I do not say "I believe" as I am a very "feeling" and "intuitive" person. I am not going about this business of looking into pure, alive, energized water with any sort of preconceived beliefs. What I will do however is get a feel for a person, a product or a post/op-ed such as I have done with the vitirol that is spewed from the chemistry professor at the wonky water link.

It really does not take a whole lot for me to feel that what I am reading is a belief system of the chemistry professor, where he is defending his beliefs with a whole slew of negative terminology. None of which I would expect from a chemistry professor, there is nothing scientific about the presentation he puts forth towards water systems. As far as he is concerned, every single one of them is a scam. Yet this goes against many first hand testimonials, one of which I was privy to from a somewhat local distributor of the "structured water" unit, who of course may have an agenda.

So there is nothing hard about listening to my gut, as I have seen this before. People get paid to debunk and they will resort to name calling and everything negative under the sun, which is what the chemistry professor has done, it is even in the link "wacky water". They want us drinking fluoride and all the other garbage they put into our water. They do not want us healthy (they=money grubbing, control freaks - elite parasites) as there is no commerce in health, comparatively speaking.

I do not have time for non sense, agendas or even beliefs.

The Verbelli gentleman however seemed to me to be much more genuine, so much so that he is even testing these systems himself while providing what he has found to others with no expectation of a return. This man to me is genuine.

The "structured water" unit is based on spin, which is attractive to me because Kevin has ingrained in my head how important spin is. Everything spins, at all scales and therefore vibrates. Might this Nolte guy be onto something??? Apparently his partner thought so because he broke off and started his own company, which unfortunately I have not researched too much because the links thus far that I have found are not currently working.

All that being said, again I appreciate the post. I like to see the negative as well as the positive and as is often the case, the negative has even less of a case than the people who are saying it works. I have often found when there is something we should be looking at, the de-bunkers will resort to whatever they have and often all it is vitirol and name calling. Remind you of anybody?

This is what I feel is occurring with our chemistry professor.

Fred, thanks for the perspective.

[re-rose]

Kevin, where do I send your $199?

if You can visualize water spinning within this geometry, and the symbiotic interaction with the flows of consciousness , that will produce a high charge field, and that field will remain in place for quite a while.

You then will have the water itself uprated, but also the local area field will remain spinning , and thus benefiting all 3D creations within that zone.

Dan, what does your Dr. say about the blood in your urine? You may have said, but if you did, I don't remember.

Louis, April is coming up... time to encircle my trees with copper energizers! Could you jog my memory as to the source for the design, please?

Fred...logical as always. It's just unfortunate that logic flies out the window when people get all defensive.

rose

[Soloma]

Dan, what does your Dr. say about the blood in your urine? You may have said, but if you did, I don't remember.

Hey Rose! Specialist or urologist type of situation. The blood and urine were neg, as were the ultra sounds.

Finally unhooked my wireless connection, was no deed. Feel better overall already. I am optimistic, spring is right around the corner.

[Soloma]

"was no deed" - no idea what I was trying to say.

[Soloma]

Quite the claim -

"I am curious about the whole house product, what happens to the structure water between the unit and the faucet. Will it gain the memory of the nasty old pipes and therefore not be as pure as an under counter unit?" - me

Natural Action Technologies Structured Water cleans all the pipes neutralizing toxins and enhancing the nutrients. The advantage of a house structuring unit over the under sink is all your water outlets are served showers, sinks, water heaters, Reverse Osmosis units, distillers, pools and hose outlets and irrigation systems etc.
Clayton

So uh, that would seem to be testable. Is he claiming he is transmuting the organic minerals, soot and goodness knows what else is in our pipes to...??? I mean I guess it is not too far out based on the fact that I sort of understand (not experientially of course) Hutchison technology and what Kevin tries to describe.

So what if this NAT is hooked up in conjunction with the Hutchison unit??? If I recall, after having perused through some of Verbelli`s video`s, he was adding Rodin coil`s and frequencies along with magnets and lights!!! I do not see myself going to such extremes, it might be interesting to see what would come of Hutchison/Nolte water.

Anyways, quite the claim.

[kevin]

Soloma,
If You can overcome the GOD references, and focus upon the geometry instead, then this is quite good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQYa8J4tOwU

Science has become a new religion, thus it demands compliance to it's bibles, We need to be free of all such limitations.
We need to remember the basics.
Spin needs to be a two way sequence, a yin and yang balance of sequencing, not a perfect balance, that would stall.
Earths rate of implosion is 55, it's outrush is 34.
The difference is taken up by creation into 3D.
Kevin

[LuisP]

Soloman,
I well understand what you said. More, even concur with. Way I saw it ( again, in a nutshell), the “chemistry professor” dishes out oversimplified disdain and follows “unprofessoral” arguments on a subject where he claims “professed” knowledge.

But – to me – that was not the point.

Rather (can’t you see it ?) what emerges from his site and approach are three very evident (and useful) things : one, he sheds his attention and criticism on the “the machines” and on “their sales” pitch, not on the fringe intricacies of the concept itself, just using the former as the main argument to dismiss the latter , two, he surely passes through the point that lots of “salesmen” abound out there, which should give anyone a heads-up regarding oil-snaking, and three and foremost, he doesn’t “touch” the main issue – this one being a cumulative of Four Facts : (1) the Fact that hundreds of patents from more than a hundred years ago exist about machines (or processes) that energize water and the benefits that those long gone inventors – through very practical experiences mainly on crops and plants – did achieve to the point of spending hard earned cash patenting them at a time when cash was a scarce commodity, (2) the Fact that in the middle of the 20th century (not the middle ages !) a man put a whole hospital to the test - service personnel, patients and doctors - and that the results he obtained were enough to impress not only the subjects of said experiment but also of the emeritus scientists of the French Academy of Medicine, (3) the Fact that at the bottom of almost all of those inventions lies “electricity” or “magnetism” as the means employed to achieve “results”, and (4) the Fact that some other “results” – but using those exact same or very similar means !! – have been obtained by several bona fide scientists on a diversity of targets and not only plants or crops but on such as fish eggs and even human blood, as the story of Ebner and Schürch so eloquently proves and exemplifies!

Can you now see why I advise the importance of reading the Nay Sayers, dismissing their vitriol ? What do they deny ? What have they “discovered” that disproves what one has “discovered”, or “felt” or “believed” ? Do they even realize that there is a possibility that at work here is something seemingly Universal that manifests itself on several fronts and on very different subjects ? Do they acknowledge what dozens (hundreds ?) of scientists have already acknowledged, which is, that some “results” they have “observed and recorded” along those lines of enquiry and experimentation cannot be explained by what science knows ? Do they tackle this issue with – borrowing a term from Law books – the employ of “Comparative Law” over the several fields where the same or similar “instruments” were used and the “results” which then were achieved ?

Of course that nothing of that sort emerges from sites the likes of the “chemistry professor”, or even from those like the other guy with a Masters of Science to his credit. They simply either don’t know some hard facts that exist out there or have chosen to ignore them and, much worse, simply lack either the knowledge or the stamina required to “Compare” disciplines so as to try and find in them a transversal signature.

So, yes, I found it very useful reading. And advise it.

For to remain Strong, one has to check his Weaknesses. To keep on digging, looking “out” of a set of rules, one has to test one’s “feelings” or “beliefs” for otherwise it is all just a question of a “individual feeling or belief”, meaning, just another way of saying one may be a crackpot chasing windmills.

In a sentence, Soloman – if they cannot show that one is Wrong, then maybe, just maybe, one is Right.
And so, should keep on walking.
With confidence. And unbreakable curiosity.


But hey… this is just some $0.02 that I spend on myself !