Since cannabis was brought up

[Soloma]

Luis, the confusion is understandable, I too am experiencing it. The BB site claims 500mg of cbd per 2oz portion, not 250mg, which they give as the 1oz portion of cbd. I do not know how to translate the mg to %, they claim to have as high as 26% cbd in an extraction. It almost appears by the information you have given that the BB claim is almost twice as high as the German claim - 250mg@50ml v. 500mg@60ml.

http://www.conversion-metric.org/volume ... milliliter
Doing a cursory search conveys that 15 drops <= 1ml, which is half the claim of BB and explains why I ran out of their 2 month supply in a little over three weeks. I took 7-8 drops twice a day and was squirting, not counting to both cats, though Pretty not every time I and Tabitha took the oil.

So it seems then there is a fundamental error on the BB site and essentially doubles the cost of the medicine, which makes the 50% off wholesale pricing that much more attractive.

http://www.bluebird-botanicals.com/uplo ... empcbd.pdf
There are also links to potency test results that I have had a difficult time making heads or tales of. I have however stopped worrying about after having seen the oil in action, all I need to know is does it work and I can certainly answer in the affirmative there.

When speaking of synergy, I am speaking of whole plant synergy, not thc and cbd only, there are many more cannabinoids with medicinal benefits. There was always this option of high cbd and low thc, it was just pushed as a drug so hard as opposed to a medicine, everyone breed for THC and not CBD because all that was ever reinforced was the "high". Luckily we woke up before we breed the CBD right out of the plant all together.

[LuisP]

Dan
Hope I got this correctly.

It definitely then seems that, as you point out, roughly 1ml = 15 drops (and not 30, as BB claims).
It also seems that 50 ml is not 2 oz, which is almost 60 ml (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=m ... gws_rd=ssl)

You buy a US bottle of 60 ml and I a German one of 50 ml. Yours talks in grams, mine in percentage.

How to compare ?

1 - Dosage
Using the above premises, then inside 60 ml or 2 Oz there “are” 900 drops (15 drops x 60 ml). And if one then takes 15 drops per day, those 2 Oz (or 60 ml) should last 60 days, meaning, 1 day = 1 ml = 15 drops.
If this a safe assumption as far as “dosage” and “life expectancy” of a bottle goes, whichever its volume, then my 50 ml should give for 50 days while yours would last additional 10 given equal surplus volume.

2 - CBD content
Now, it seems that 500 mg = 0.017637 Oz (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=m ... gws_rd=ssl) so if this is the “amount” of CBD inside BB’s 2 Oz bottle, then will its “concentration” not roughly be 0,88 % ? ((0,017637/2)*100) = 0,88185 %.

Meaning, in the German’s case
Claiming a content of 2,9 % inside a 2 Oz would require roughly 1650 mg = 0,05820204 so that ((0,05820204/2)*100) = 2,91 %
Okay, but the Germans don’t sell 2 Oz but 50 ml, meaning, roughly 1,7 Oz (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=m ... gws_rd=ssl)
So,
Instead of dividing by 2 we have to divide by 1,7 while also adjusting the required grams to this corresponding lower volume.

Following this rationale, we would then have that 50 ml = 1,7 Oz and that 1400 mg = 0,049384 Oz. Then, ((0,049384/1,7)*100) = 2,90 %.

All this – again, if I’m getting this correctly - to say
a) A bottle of 2 Oz (60 ml) claiming 500 mg of CBD means it has a concentration of 0,88 % (your BB)
b) A bottle of 1,7 Oz (50 ml) claiming a concentration of 2,90 % would be equivalent to say it had 1.400 mg of CBD (my German)


Or am I wrong ?

[Soloma]

No, your math looks fine, obviously I was making a a erroneous comparison thinking the German was 250mg/50ml having misread. Does the German site have a English function because I can not make much sense of it in German. I see where it says "massage" which to me in English would mean a topical oil, are we talking apples to apples here as far as a internal medicine?

If this is an internal medicine from the German company, I would like to see if they ship to the US, what the conversion is to US dollars, etc. If there is more CBD in the medicine and it is a whole plant extract, I am interested.

Thanks for posting the information, might have to consider a different supplier based on the product and price.

[LuisP]

Dan
Unfortunately, their site is strictly German.
But they answer emails in English and I’ve used Stefan@hanf-zeit.com address to contact Stefan, who owns the place and was referred as “a trusted grower and producer” by Franjo at the “International Association for Cannabinoid Medicines” (http://www.cannabis-med.org/?lng=en), an organization that, in turn, had been referred to me by Prof. Christina Sanchez, a researcher at the “University Complutense of Madrid” who, in turn, had been referred to me as the person who had “performed the best studies on cannabinoids and breast cancer” by Prof. Cristina Parolaro, who published in February 2013 that article in the “British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology" that I read last month and impressed me tremendously, and mentioned so some pages back on this thread.

Then, a cascade, so to speak, done “top-down”, of what I deem sound referrals from bona fide people, who also happen to be among those leading the field on research of CDB effects on cancer, namely, breast.

I’d say you can’t get much safer than that. About dealing with Stefan at http://www.hanf-zeit.com/ .

Not that I’m “pushing” anything or anyone here, let’s be clear on that, just that I’m presenting my case for this provider as I built it.

Regarding the “Massage” bit …
From Stefan’s email to me, I quote the following : “At the moment you can find different CBD products on our webside. The best is the massage oil with the highest CBD level from 2,9% - Food grade !! (but) I am not allowed to tell you something about the use of it as a medicine”.

Now, I’m not versed on this subject but it takes no brainiac to know that issues do exist with marketing “hemp products”. Legal ones, that is. Also, medical ones. As in, on one side, the heavy blindness of the Law and on the other the eagle eyes of the Pharmaceutical business.

Meaning, well, so “massage oil” be it far as I care to dwell on this. You do your own research, arrive at your own conclusions and make your own decisions, regardless of whatever “marketable” name you see in a bottle. It is its contents that matter.

Only point is : Is it legal for them to sell and for me to buy it ? Sure it is.
So… Yawn. As in, whatever.

This guy also sells seeds, flour, creams, drinks … you name it, he has it, from Hemp. Even dog and cat food with Hemp ! And plain culinary Hemp Oil “rich in Omega 3, 6 and 9” … 500 ml for around 9 bucks. Interesting ...

Why don’t you spend some time checking the site, using Google’s translator on whatever meets your interest there and then email him ? maybe something can be figured out, who knows ?

[LuisP]

Some Cristina from way past must be thinking of me (sigh).

In my above post, where you read "Prof. Cristina Parolaro" ... you should read "Prof. Daniela Parolaro".

Sorry for the mishap.

[Soloma]

Yes I have indeed checked their site out and saw the various products, the cat food caught my eye and so I decided you might have found a little gem. I will be sure to reach out to your contact through the email, thanks!

[FM No Static At All]

Okay, the percentage of CBD or THC is laboratory tested. Random samples of a crop is sent to a lab. If you are looking for high CBD content, yes, 15.x is an excellent number. Keep in mind however, most modern strains are Sinsemillas, which are the female plants and once identified as female, they are isolated from any male plants to prohibit pollination. As the female flower matures, it excretes a resin to protect itself before pollination, and it is that resin that is high in THC and consequently the strains mostly grown for profit.

There are however (at least here in Oregon where medicinal marijuana use is permitted) some growers who are cross pollinating strains known to have high CBD content with those high in THC, to produce cannabis that helps reduce pain and provide treatments for cancers, PTSD, neurological conditions, etc.

Because all the focus has been on CBD for cancer treatment and THC for pain management and getting stoned, many of the other cannabinoids are mostly ignored. There are a few pharmaceutical companies doing in-house research, but if they do make any discoveries, they will most likely synthesize it and sell it as a prescription drug. What many fail to consider is how many cannabinoids work best when they are left in their natural state and used as elixirs, extracts, oils, and nutritional supplements. Hemp protein isolates can be used instead of whey, and they are significantly higher in essential fatty acids, particularly omega-3 and omega-6.

Isn't it better to have a fresh juicy orange or a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice than a vitamin C tablet that has mostly fillers and hardening agents, etc.?

[Soloma]

Great post Fred, I myself question myself every time I take a vitamin, if I do not like taking medications, vitamins are really not that far removed. Something I have been cutting out and replacing with three smoothies a day, wish I was including raw cannabis.

Poor pretty has always been a basket case, quite honestly I think she saw she was about to finally be the lone animal in the house, top attention getter. She has never held this position because she has always been dominated by the others. I found her today having wet herself, she has been making a mess everywhere. Had to give her a bath and prior to that I gave her some of the oil that just arrived, which she promptly spit up.

With her, she seems to be having emotional as well as physical issues, should be interesting how a proper dose of the oil affects her.

Tabitha and I have picked up again taking the oil, we just had a great brushing session complete with her licking my nose and much purring. She was much stronger in holding up against the brushing, I did not feel like I was going to hurt her though I was still gentle. She is still dealing with allergies and or upper resp issues which have been causing her to cough/choke on flem. Anyone have any thoughts on a natural remedy? I was thinking I might try some ginger root oil for her. Overall, she is doing just great!

[Fruitbat]

Do you have more than one litter tray?
I have read that in extreme cases some people have ended up with one litter tray per cat plus one.
You'll be able to tell if you keep an eye on your cats, if the dominant one is preventing the other one from getting to the litter tray. Apparently it's done by positioning themselves in strategic spots.
But you probably know that anyway.

BTW, BJ does seem to be benefitting from my half-assed attempts to fight his conditon with oil.
He seems to be enjoying the experience, and his symptoms have abated quite markedly, (although that may be down to a change of antibiotic and not connected with the other treatment at all) but at least I feel we are making a proper fight of it, and of crucial importance, he seems to be enjoying the process. Whilst he is functional and happy then he doesn't have to "cross the rainbow bridge", and that feels like winning to me...

FB.

[Mikado14]

It is winning fruitbat. If any living creature, which includes us, can be happy until that moment, I call that a win.

Glad to hear that at the least, he is content and happy and hoping that he is on the mend for the best.

Mikado